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PostPosted: Mon Jun 02, 2003 12:53 pm 
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The hype goes like this: "This lavish, full colour book details the history of Armageddon’s three wars, told mostly from the points of view of those who were there, fighting and directing the battles. It includes dozens of maps, articles, pictures, pamphlets, posters and diagrams, to make up a comprehensive source book of information on this most fascinating and devastating conflict."

The reality? I was expecting something like the Osprey campaign series books, with battle maps, orders of battle and such. To say that the book was a disappointment is an understatement.

The whole book is written as a collection of reports and logs, compiled by some obscure scribe at the request of some obscure inquisitor. Add to it a couple of ship descriptions most likely ripped from BFG magazine and you get the picture. The book actually manages to give out less information than the fluff section in the rulebook of the boardgame "Battle for Armageddon", which is available free at the Armageddon website.

The "dozens of maps" include a few small, large scale maps devoid of any useful detail whatsoever. The "Diagrams" are mostly concerned with the increase of mutation in the chaos incursion (The first war of Armageddon).

The "pictures" look like printed color-photo positives, so 'nuff said.

The only useful info in the book is the current situation in the Armageddon. The third war of Armageddon isn't detailed at all. There's nothing about it in the book that haven't been published in more detail in WD or the website.

All this is topped with a manual of "how to build booby traps" and "what rats are edible".

Summa summarum: don't bother. I wish I had not.  :{

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All sounds rather dissapointing, don't think I'll bother, especially for ?15 and seeing as I have all the Armageddon WDs....

A shame, as this could have been great, seeing what the BL have done on the Liber Chaotica Khrne book...

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Thnaks for the warning. I saw this advertised and thought 'finally something with background that is worth buying'. I will save my money.

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I was going to buy it, my Epic:A IG are going to be painted in the Armageddon colour scheme, and I wanted some more background about the third war etc. But now I might not bother unless I have a good look at it first.

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Let's hope they do better with E-A. ?The closest they got to Osprey was the E40K books ... pretty nice ... overall. ?We're all awaiting E-A like Christmas, hopefully they won't disappoint us, but either way I'm buying ... :laugh:

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I like my E-A Codex, but, yes, it is lacking. I guess you'll just have to use imagination to fill in the gaps.

The web site is great.

Stormseer,

Any chance I can get a spare scan or two of the WD Armageddon issues? I wasn't around when they happened.

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Maksim, I would love to help you out, however due to the archaic state of the technology at my disposal, I will unfortunatly not be able too.... :{
I believe others here have these issues... -IIRC Chris does????

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Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 02 2003 June,21:53)
To say that the book was a disappointment is an understatement.

Summa summarum: don't bother. I wish I had not. ?:{

Great...I had identical (Osprey campaign style) hopes for this book

The irony of you posting this less than 48hrs after I ordered it burns deeply... :(   Especially as I dont usually buy this stuff from GW.  Normally only minis

PS I'd be interested in those WD articles too.  Guess I can paste them in the from of my Armageddon Book to make it useful and interesting

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PS I'd be interested in those WD articles too.  Guess I can paste them in the from of my Armageddon Book to make it useful and interesting


I only have WD 249, which includes:
-A nice short story (5 pages) about Commissar Yarrick kicking some green butt.

-Index Astartes article listing the marine chapters, which took part in the Armageddon War as well as color schemes for each and (very) brief descriptions about battles they took part in.

-Index Astartes article about Black Templars containing all the fluff. The army list is (surprise!) in the Codex: Armageddon.

-Fluff and short histories about several IG regiments, which took part in Armageddon campaign (Savlar Chem-Dogs, Death Korps of Krieg, Elysian Drop Troops and Armageddon Ork hunters).

-A short treatise about Orks tribes with some nice color pictures (a reprint from Waagh! the Orks or 'Ere we go, no doubt).

-A battle report or rather, four battle reports combined as one about Warzone Tempestora.

There is Armageddon stuff in at least on other WD (248) and possibly in 250 also. The website has much good stuff, including much better maps than the good for nothing book and fluff about several marine chapters (Celestial Lions, Relictors, Black Dragons, Marines Malevolent, Angels of Vigilance, Mortifactors and Raptors) plus MANY IG regiments.
In fact, if you read all the stuff in the website alone you get more info than is in the book. Including a much more detailed history of the first two wars of Armageddon.

GW had the chance of making a really good and unique wargame resource. They blew it.  :angry:

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Quote (Mojarn Piett @ 03 2003 June,17:50)
GW had the chance of making a really good and unique wargame resource. They blew it. ?:angry:

What a jip :{

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I've used a combination of the web site and the codex to make a listing of the participants of the Armageddon War:

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Space Marine chapters at the 3rd Battle for Armageddon

Sources:
CA ? Codex Armageddon 40k
EAW ? GW Epic Armageddon web site http://www.armageddon3.com/
IA ? Insignium Astartes
SP ? Sean Patten?s compiled chapter background http://www.ironhands.com/chapters.htm

Notes: # does not chapter number, but is alphabetical (only for purposes of a list).

# Space Marine Chapter and Primarch: Base Colour: Complementing Colours: Symbol, Notes, & Info. Source/s:
1. Angels of Fire Dark Red Yellow with black bolters Fire flames on both shoulder pads. ? EAW
2. Angles of Redemption Dark Green / White halved. ? Jawless frontal skull with Dark Angel wings. Dark Angels successor.
3. Angels of Vigilance Tan ? Pot with flame and Dark angels wings. Dark Angels successor.
4. Angels Porphyr Blue and white halves Yellow with red bolters Winged skull from the side. ? EAW
5. Black Dragons Black White White dragon head sinister. Wyrm. Flawed Geneseed. Dragon Claws. ? EAW Maybe Salamander successor.
6. Black Templars Black White Black Templar cross within white field. No home planet. Spacebourne chapter.
7. Blood Angels(Sanguinius) Red Blue & white Winged blood drop. Black Rage. Death Company. Furioso Dreadnought.
8. Celebrants Yellow blended into Red. ? 5-pointed star with wings. WD 248. Pg. 76
9. Celestial Lions Yellow, Gold Light Blue (Almost Aquamarine) Yellow roaring lion on blue field. Dying chapter. Home: Elysium IX Fortress Monestary. ? EAW  
10. Exorcists Red Black and gold Gold facing jawless downward horned skull. 13th Founding. Ordo Malleus created and extra-resistant to Chaos. ? EAW
11. Flesh Tearers Crimson with Black shoulder pads. ? Red blood drop within white buzz saw. Blood Angels successor.
12. Iron Champions Black with Steel shoulder pads. ? Jawless forward skull with four rectangles with central triangular outburst on each outward. WD 248 Pg. 76
13. Marines Malevolent Yellow ? WD 248 Pg. 76
14. Mortifactors Black and white Gold with black bolters Facing jawless skull. ? EAW
15. Omega Marines Black and white halves Yellow with boltgun metal bolters Grey Skull over black omega. ? IA
16. Raptors Olive Drab White White Raptor Head. Raven Guard Successor. WD 275. Pg. 96
17. Relictors Dark grey (Steel) with Black shoulder pads Black White skull on black field. ? EAW
18. Salamanders(Vulkan) Black Red & yellow Salamander head in fireball
19. Silver Skulls Steel with Black shoulder pads. ? Silver Machine Skull on a black field. Ultramarines successor.
20. Sons of Guilleman Blue and white quarters Yellow with red bolters Blue omega in white circle with wings. ? IA Maybe an Ultramarine successor.
21. Space Wolves(Leman Russ) Pale Grey Red & white Wolf head in circle
22. Storm Giants Cream Red with black bolters Upward red lightening bolt on cream field. ? EAW
23. Storm Lords Red and white halves with yellow helmet Black Facing jawless skull with three radiating red lightening bolts. ? EAW White Scars successor.
24. White Scars Green (old)White (new) White & red Red lightning bolt over yellow divot. Wear top knots. Renowned for mobility and CC.










Imperial Guard Regiments at the 3rd Battle for Armageddon
Sources:
CA ? Codex Armageddon 40k
EAW ? GW Epic Armageddon web site http://www.armageddon3.com/
CIG ? Codex Imperial Guard 40k  

# Cognomen and Home Planet: Base Colour: Complementing Colours: Symbol, Notes, & Info. Source/s:
1. Arm. Ash Waste Militia
2. Arm. Command Guard
3. Arm. Hive Militia Gangers and citizen conscripts.
4. Arm. Ork Hunters Competitors to Catachans.
5. Arm. Steel Legion Mechanized force.
6. Arphista Penal Legion ? Symbol. Overalls with chains. ? CIG
7. Asgardian Rangers Beige skins and furs Olive Drab ? Symbol. Native scouts with biologically enhanced mounts from a feudal planet. ? EAW  
8. Cadian Shock Troops Used to fighting Chaos.
9. Catachan Jungle Fighters Insurgency specialists.
10. Death Korps of Krieg ? Black. Codex grey with fortress stripes ? Brown ? Symbol. Dark great coats, coldweather gear adorned with skulls and other signs of mortality. (Valhalla, Wehrmacht type). ?EAW ? EAW Hive Tartarus
11. Elysian Drop Troops Special paratroopers.
12. Jopall Indentured Sqdns Mint Green with white spots White with Black Boots ? Symbol. Defensive fighters with reserves. Work well with Hive Militia. Hive Tartarus
13. Krourk Ogryn Auxilia Red with Black Stripes Black with black boots with white toes ? Symbol. From a high gravity steppe world. Warlike society. CC specialists. Few ripper guns.
14. Minervan Tank Legions Amphibious armored unit.
15. Monglor Ogryn Auxilia Typical Ogryn Auxilia.
16. Mordian Iron Guard Very stolid troops.
17. Noctan Strike Force Night fighters.
18. Ocanon Phalanx Troops ? Symbol. Ocanon rad wastes. Used to hostile environments. Tanks on back. ? CIG
19. Pyran Dragons Noble cavalry.
20. Savlar Chem-Dogs Cutthroat mercenary infantry
21. Savlar Chem-Riders Cutthroat mercenary cavalry on mutie mounts.
22. Semtexian Bombardiers Grey and Dark Grey Black and Red Artillery batteries attached to other armies. Wear W.W.I German spike helmets. ? EAW
23. Storm Troopers Elite troops with Helguns (Improved Lasguns).
24. Zouvan Skirmishers Black with red mottle Black ? Symbol. Catachan style troops. - CA


Ork Warbands at the 3rd Battle for Armageddon
Sources:
CA ? Codex Armageddon 40k
EAW ? GW Epic Armageddon web site http://www.armageddon3.com/
CO ? Codex Orks

- DD ? Great Despot of Dregruk
- GT ? Ork Warlord Ghazghkull Mag Uruk Thraka
- UU ? Urgok the Unstoppable
- OO ? Overfiend of Octarius

# Warband and Warboss Affiliation: TribalColours: Tribal Glyph: Notes, Tribal motif, Orbats, & Info. Source/s:
1. DD ? Despot Gazgrim?s War Horde 200 Warbands, 18 Gargants
2. DD ? Warlord Thogfang?s Gargant Big Mob 3 Warbands, 7 Gargants
3. DD ? Warlord Rukgor?s Gargant Big Mob 5 Warbands, 6 Gargants
4. DD ? Warlord Badfang?s Battle Forts 3 Warbands, 16 Battle Fortresses
5. DD ? Black Slayers Tribe Black Red Horned Skull 30 Warbands, 4 GargantsBlack and White Checks
6. DD ? Firebellies Tribe 18 Warbands, 3 Gargants
7. DD ? Varga?s Drop Legions   24 Warbands
8. DD ? Razor Speed Freaks Black Black flame pattern and Black razors 21 ?Speed Kult? WarbandsMostly Goff
9. DD ? Warlord Gorshag?s Big Gunz 7 ?Artillery? Warbands
10. GT ? Great Overlord Ghazghkull?s War Horde Black and white Black, White or Red one-eyed skull. 400 Warbands, 18 Gargantsblack and white checks or dags
11. GT ? Warlord Morfang?s Gargant Big Mob 6 Warbands, 7 Gargants
12. GT ? Warlord Skarfang?s Gargant Big Mob 3 Warbands, 6 Gargants
13. GT ? Warlord Burzuruk?s Gargant Big Mob 4 Warbands, 9 Gargants
14. GT ? Warlord Kroksnik?s Deth Traks 4 Warbands, 32 Battlefortresses
15. GT ? Blackskull Tribe 30 Warbands, 3 Gargants
16. GT ? Crooked Moon Tribe Yellow Black Quarter Moon 21 Warbands, 5 GargantsBlack Flames
17. GT ? Red Fin Tribe 30 Warbands, 4 Gargants
18. GT ? Red Wheelz Speed Freaks 18 ?Speed Kult? Warbands
19. GT ? Burning Death Speed Freaks 25 ?Speed Kult? Warbands
20. GT ? Warlord Thugsnik?s Big Gunz 6 ?Artillery? WarbandsSiege Gunz
21. GT ? Warlord Morbad?s Big Gunz 12 ?Artillery? WarbandsSiege Gunz
22. UU ? Great Slayer Grimskul?s War Horde 60 Warbands, 8 Gargants
23. UU ? Warlord Blagrot?s Gargant Big Mob 4 Warbands, 3 Gargants
24. UU ? Warlord Skrag?s Gargants Big Mob 2 Warbands, 3 Gargants
25. UU ? Vultures Tribe 16 Warbands, 3 Gargants
26. UU ? Stompers Tribe Green and Black Red or Yellow Explosion 11 Warbands, 1 Gargants?Yellow or Red Dags
27. UU ? Slasherz Speed Freeks 12 ?Speed Kult? Warbands
28. UU ? Warlord Rukglum?s Big Gunz 11 ?Artillery? Warbands
29. OO ? Great Fiend Gorsnik Magash?s War Horde 250 Warbands, 160 Battlefortresses
30. OO ? Warlord Bogsnik?s Blitz Brigade 8 Warbands, 26 Battlefortresses
31. OO ? Warlord Skabsnik?s Blitz Brigade 12 Warbands, 41 Battlefortresses
32. OO ? Black Cloud Speed Freekz 20 ?Speed Kult? Warbands
33. OO ? White Lightning Speed Freekz Steel or Red Triple White Lightning Bolt 31 ?Speed Kult? WarbandsRed and yellow flames


http://www.criticalhit.co.uk/w40krp/war ... line.shtml

Critical Hit ? Great Timeline and Fluff Source

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Great job, Maksim !  I remember some of that data from many sources. I was thinking about using some of the GZG Infantry for Elysians, Stormtroopers, etc. Again, great research job ...   :)

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