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DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k

 Post subject: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 7:55 am 
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I took Nortos Deathwatch list out for a spin yesterday. Norto took his Black Legion list he likes to really stresstest the DW.

Heres my list:

Incompertus, 2975 POINTS
Death Watch (V1.2)
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STRIKE TEAM - LAND SPEEDERS [200]
5 Landspeeder Tornado

STRIKE TEAM - LAND SPEEDERS [200]
5 Landspeeder Tornado

INQUISITORIAL STORM TROOPER PLATOON [350]
8 Inquisitorial Storm Trooper, 4 Chimeras, Inquisitor, Hydra

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [150]
2 Thunderbolt Fighters

INQUISITORIAL BLACK SHIP [175]

WATCH COMPANY [350]
4 Deathwatch Veteran, Watch Master, Rhinos

WATCH COMPANY [300]
4 Deathwatch Veteran, 2 Corvus Black Stars

WATCH COMPANY [300]
4 Deathwatch Veteran, Drop pods, Chaplain

WATCH COMPANY [375]
2 Deathwatch Veteran, 3 Corvus Black Stars, 2 Deathwatch Terminator

WATCH COMPANY [425]
Deathwatch Veteran, 3 Deathwatch Terminator, 4 Corvus Black Stars

Heres Nortos list:

Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
13TH BLACK CRUSADE BLACK LEGION (2014 Armybook Edition)
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DAEMON POOL [30]
(Chaos Undivided), 2 Lesser Daemon

RETINUE [425]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Warlord (Supreme Commander), Obliterator, Daemonic Pact

RETINUE [340]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, Daemonic Pact, 4 Rhino

RETINUE [340]
8 Chaos Space Marines, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, Daemonic Pact, 4 Rhino

CHAOS TERMINATORS [300]
(Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, 4 Chaos Terminator, Daemonic Pact

CHOSEN [170]
4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), 4 Dreadclaw Drop Pod, Daemonic Pact

CHOSEN [170]
4 Chaos Space Marine Scouts, (Chaos Undivided), Daemonic Pact, 2 Rhino

BIKE COMPANY [325]
8 Chaos Space Marines Bikes, (Chaos Undivided), Chaos Lord, Daemonic Pact

HELL BLADES [200]
3 Hell Blade Fighters, (Chaos Undivided)

DEVASTATION CLASS CRUISER [150]
(Chaos Undivided)

DEATH WHEEL SQUADRON [275]
(Chaos Undivided), Death Wheel

DEATH WHEEL SQUADRON [275]
(Chaos Undivided), Death Wheel

I choose a corner setup to make the most out of my spaceship bombardment. Garrisoned Land speeders up the field. Norto screened his BTS with Chosen (forgot to take screen shot of the setup).

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 Post subject: Re: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:14 am 
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TURN 1: Black Legion wins initiative.

BL1.1: Deathwheel advances and fires on garrisoned land speeders for 1BM.
DW1.1: Spaceship activates. OB bombardment hit nothing since Norto had placed all his forces on opposite side of plotted site. Pinpoint attack strips 2 shields and does 1DC do a Deathwheel though (2BM). Drop pod comes in and gives same detahwheel another BM.
DW1.2: Podding veterans retain and engages the hurt Deathwheel, intermingling nearby chosen. No kills are done to either side buBL wins rolloff by 2.
BL1.2: BTS-retinue goes on OW.
DW1.3: Thunderbolts fail to activate.
BL1.3:Hellblades ground attacks garrisoned land speeders on left flank. Kills 2 (3BM).
DW1.4: Thunderbolts Intercepts Hellblades killing 2 (3BM).
BL1.4: Deathwhell advances and fires on garrisoned landspeeders on left flank for 1BM.
DW1.5: Same land speeders Marshalls and hides behond a mountain (clearing all 4 BM:s).
BL1.5: Retinue marches to left flank.
DW1.6: Veterans with watch master goes on OW.
BL1.6: Retinue marches.
DW1.7: Land speeders in centre doubles and fires on hurt deathwheel doing 2DC and breaks it.
BL1.7: Bikes marches to right flank.
DW1.8: Veterans doubles and fires on retinue for 1BM.
DW1.9: BTS-veterans marches.
DW1.10: Veterans marches
DW1.11: Storm troppers doubles to put last remaning hellblade within hydra range.

END PHASE:

Veterans rallies
Deathwheels fails to rally


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 Post subject: Re: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:31 am 
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TURN 2: Deathwatch wins initiative.

DW2.1: BTS-veterans engages bikes. 5 bikes are killed for the loss of 1 Corvus. Remaning bikes are wiped out in assault resolution.
DW2.2: Veterns on left flank retains and engages nearby retinue. 4 stands of chaos marines are killed for no DW losses. BL still wins rolloff by 1!!
BL2.1: Deathwheel doubles and fires on land speeders killing 1(2BM).
BL2.2: Chosen retains, summons 2 demons and Marshalls clearing all BM:s.
DW2.3: Thunderbolts ground attacks (with the help of the SC reroll) retinue destroying 3 rhinos (4BM).
BL2.3: Retinue on left flank engages land speeders wiping them out for no losses.
DW2.4: veterans with watch master goes on OW.
BL2.4: Hellblade fails to activate.
DW2.5: Thunderbolts ground atatcks retinue killing 1 rhino and 1 stand breaking them.
BL2.5: BTS-retinue goes on OW.
DW2.6: veterans holds and clears their BM:s.
DW2.7: Storm troopers holds and clears their BM:s
DW2.8: Veterans doubles and fires on broken deathwheel wiping it out.
DW2.9: Land speeders advances and fires on chosen killing 1 rhino (2BM).

END PHASE:

Veterans rallies.
Retinue rallies.


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 Post subject: Re: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:43 am 
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Terminators teleport in next to storm troopers with 1BM
TURN 3: Black Legion wins initiative.

BL3.1: Terminators summons 3 demons and then holds, even with the help of the SC-reroll... (ouch)
DW3.1: Veterans doubles up the board next to a retinue.
DW3.2: Veterans retains and engages same retinue wiping it out for no losses with the supporting fire of the veterand that doubled up before them.
BL3.2: Deathwheel doubles and fires on storm troopers killing 2 stands (3BM).
DW3.3: Thunderbolts ground attacks retinue killing 1 rhino.
BL3.3: Hellblade fails to activate.
DW3.4: Veterans doubles to claim T&H objective on right flank.
BL3.4: Retinue marches to claim DW blitz.
DW3.5: Thunderbolts ground attacks same retinue by DW blitz killing 2 stands and 1 rhino breaking them.
BL3.5: Chose summons 3 demons and engages LS. After 2 rounds of combat the chosen win and 2 surviving land speeders flees up to enemy deployment zone.
DW3.6: BTS-veterans doubles and fires on same chosen kiling 1 stand (2BM).
BL3.6: BTS-retinue doubles and fires on broken land speeders wiping them out.
DW3.7: Storm troopers doubles down to DW blitz to contest it.
BL3.7: Spaceship activates but hits nothing. Podding chosen lands by T&H objective on left flank.
DW3.8: Veterans with watch master goes on OW.
BL3.8: podding chosen summons 3 demons and engages veterans. They are wiped out for no DW losses (despite getting 10 4+ attacks!)

END PHASE:

retinue fails to rally.


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 Post subject: Re: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:49 am 
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TURN 4: Deathwatch wins initiative.

DW4.1: BTS-veterans engages chosen wiping them out for no losses.
BL4.1: Hellblade fails to activate.
DW4.2: Thunderbolts ground atatcks Deathwheel stripping 2 shields (1BM).
BL4.2: Deathwheel marshalls.
DW4.3: Veterans doubles, with the help of the SC reroll, to contest objective.
BL4.3: terminators marches to laim T&H objective.
DW4.4: veterans with watch master doubles to DW blitz
DW4.5: veterans doubles near BL blitz and fires on BTS-retinue for 1BM.

Deathwatch wins on points in turn 4 (1870-400).


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 Post subject: Re: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 8:57 am 
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Well. Norto got diceraped again. Especially in turn 3 when his terminators failed to activate. Other than that i had some rally lucky armour rolls in every engagement.

The unit with 2 terminators, 2 veterans and 3 corvus black stars are very potent! you get 4 attacks on 3:s in CC (and 2 being MW) and 6 atatcks on 4:s in FF. Thats 10 attacks (8 normal and 2 MW) in an engagement. You'll pay 375 point for the unit though so it's not cheap.
Te 4+RA of the terminators also really helps to soak up hits. I'm not saying that the unit is OP for it's price but it's no doubt a pretty strong unit.
This was a bad match up for the BL since they are a assault army with not much shooting to take out the corvus black stars (which needs to be done to seriously hamper the deathwatch i think).

Me and Norto talked about upping the Thunderbolts to 175 like in the codex list. I think thats a good move. The list feels like a different kind of marine list with the possibility of mixing units in a formation and the skimme rtransports. I like it alot.

Would be nice if some of the more experienced players could try out the list and trying to break it. Maybe theres a list out there that has to much potential?

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 Post subject: Re: DEATHWATCH vs BLACK LEGION 3k
PostPosted: Tue May 22, 2018 11:17 am 
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Thanks Dan for writing this up,

Yeah was definitely tough no shooting to deal with the Blackstars. Going to bump the thunderbolts to 175 in the next update.

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