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STOMPY ORKS vs IYANDEN 3K

 Post subject: STOMPY ORKS vs IYANDEN 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 7:50 am 
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Had a game against UvenLord this past weekend. I decided to test a few of the suggestions for changes to the Orks list that has been proposed in the NDC project.

- Stompas going to 4-8-12 units instead of current 3-6-9 units with no points increase.
- Giving Fighter-Bombas FxF to all their guns.

I took a stompa heavy list to see how they would work in large numbers:


Gazbagz Stompy Stompers, 2980 POINTS
Ghazgkhull Thraka's War Horde (NetEA Tournament Pack 2013)
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STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

STORMBOYZ WARHORDE [150]
6 Stormboyz

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB (BIG) [470]
8 Stompa, 2 Flakwagon

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB (BIG) [435]
8 Stompa, Flakwagon

MEKBOY STOMPAMOB (BIG) [435]
8 Stompa, Flakwagon

WARBAND [270]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, Warlord, 2 Nobz

WARBAND [270]
2 Nobz, 6 Boyz, 2 Grotz, 2 Nobz

LANDA [200]

LANDA [200]

FIGHTA SKWADRON [200]
4 Fighta Bomba

FIGHTA SKWADRON [200]
4 Fighta Bomba

UvenLord took the NetEA Iyanden list out for a spin:

Dead Pixies, 3000 POINTS
Iyanden Craftworld (4.2)
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AVATAR [0]

WRAITHGATE [50]

SPIRIT WRAITHGUARD WARHOST [275]
4x Wraithguard units, Spiritseer

SPIRIT WRAITHGUARD WARHOST [425]
4x Wraithguard units, Wraithseer, Wraithguard

SPIRIT WRAITHLORD WARHOST [350]
6x Wraithlord units, Spiritseer

RANGER TROUPE [100]
4 Ranger

NIGHT SPINNER TROUPE [175]
3x Night Spinner units

SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
3 Falcons, 2 Fire Storm

SWORDS OF VAUL TROUPE [250]
3 Falcons, 2 Fire Storm

NIGHTWING INTERCEPTORS [300]
3x Nightwing Interceptors

PHOENIX BOMBERS [325]
3x Phoenix Bombers

VAMPIRE RAIDER [200]

GUARDIAN TROUPE [150]
Farseer, 7 Guardian

WAR WALKER TROUPE [150]
4 War Walker

I placed my objectives close to the centerline so my slow stompas could reach them fast. I garrisoned all three stompas mobs close to each other (2 on OW) in cover so they could reach the objectives fast and lay BM:s on air assaulting/wraith gate assaulting wraithguards/wraithlords.
UvenLord garrisoned his war walkers by his blitz and scouts in ruins next to my both T&H objectives.


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 Post subject: Re: STOMPY ORKS vs IYANDEN 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:13 am 
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TURN 1: Eldar wins initiative.

Eldar 1.1: Nightwings go on CAP.
Orks 1.1: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks war walkers by eldar blitz for 1BM.
Eldar 1.2: Night Spinners sustain on stompas out of cover on left flank killing 2 (6BM).
Orks 1.2: Above mentioned stompas try to Marshall but holds and breaks.
Eldar 1.3: Phoenix bombers ground attack broken stomnpas and kills 6 in total.
Orks 1.3: Stormboyz on left flank doubles to middle of ork deployment zone.
Eldar 1.4: something (Scouts?) sustain fire on Stompa mob in ruins for 1BM.
Orks 1.4: Storm boyz doubles forward behind hill i nmiddle of board.
Eldar 1.5: Falcons on left flank doubles forward and fires on broken stompas, wiping them out.
Orks 1.5: Fighter-bombas ground attacks war walkers by eldar blitz. Night wings Intercepts and kills 3 fighter-bombas. 1 war walker is destroyed and the formation breaks.
Eldar 1.6: Falcons hold and move forward (1BM).
Orks 1.6: Stompa mob engages scouts in front of them and wipes them out for no losses.
Eldar 1.7: Wraithguards in webway advances out and fires on above mentioned stompa mob killing1 stompa (2BM).
Orks 1.7: BTS-Stompa mob doubles forward into ruins (loosing1 stompa to DT-test) and fires on wraithguards killing 1 (2BM).
Eldar 1.8: Wraithguards in Vampire Raider ground assaults stompas. 5 stompas die for no eldar losses (ouch!). Wraithguards wins combat.
Orks 1.8: Warband in Landa ground assaults wraithguards (takes 1 DC in damage due to AA-from firestorms). 1 wraithguard is killed for the loss of 2 grots and 1 nob. The Orks rolls double 1 on combat resolution which leads to them loosing combat and 3 nobs, 1 boyz and te Landa being destroyed (Oh Gork/Mork, why hast thou forsaken meeeee???!!!!).
Orks 1.9: Second warband in Landa ground assaults same wraithguards. All wraitguards except wraithseer is killed for the loss of 2 grots. Orks win combat and nearby vampire raider gets brken due to BM:s and is destroyed. Lone Wraithseer flees into ruins.

END PHASE:

Wraithguards rallies.
War walkers rally.
Stompas fail to rally.
Warband fails to rally.


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 Post subject: Re: STOMPY ORKS vs IYANDEN 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:25 am 
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Avatar gets placed close to warband in middle of the board.

TURN 2: Eldar wins initiative.

Eldar 2.1: Wraithguards cowardly hiding in ruins advances into support range to warband and fires on it killing 2 nobs (3BM).
Eldar 2.2: Avatar retains initiative and engages warband. The warband is wiped out with the help of Wraithguard supporting fire for no damage to the Avatar.
Orks 2.1: BTS-Stompa Mob doubles forward into ruins and fires on falons killing 2 fire storms and 1 falcon breaking the formation.
Orks 2.2: Fighter-Bombas try to retain bu stands down.
Eldar 2.3: Night Spinners sustains on BTS-Stompa Mob for 2BM.
Orks 2.3: Fighter-Bombas stand down.
Eldar 2.4: Falcons on left flank advances and fires on broken stompas in ruins close to ork blitz wiuping the formation out.
Orks 2.4: Landa ground attacks war walkers killing 1 and breaks the formation.
Eldar 2.5: Lone wraithguard marches to own deployment zone and hides heroicly behind a hill.
Orks 2.5: Stormboyz engages falcons close to ork blitz. 1 falcon dies for the loss of to stormboyz. Falcons win combat.
Eldar 2.6: Phoenix bombers ground attacks BTS-Stompa mob in ruins for 2BM.
Orks 2.6: Stormboyz doubles to screen BTS-Stompas from webway assault.
Eldar 2.7: Nightwings Intercepts landa destroying it.
Eldar 2.8: Wraithlords in webway assaults stormboyz wipinf them out for the loss of 1 wraithlord (1BM).

END PHASE:

War walkers rallies
Warband rallies
FAlcons rallies
Stormboyz fails to rally


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 Post subject: Re: STOMPY ORKS vs IYANDEN 3K
PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:32 am 
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TURN 3: Orks win initiative.

Ork 3.1: BTS-Stompa mob engages wraithlords killing 4 wraithlords for the loss of 3 stompas. Stompas wins combart but breaks due to BM:s.
Ork 3.2: Fighter-Bombas try to retain but stands down (again!!)
Eldar 3.1: Night Spinners sustain on warband killing 3 and breaks the formation.
Orks 3.3: Fighter-Bombas ground attacks war walkers and breaks them due to BM:s.
Eldar 3.2: Falcons holds and breaks.
Eldar 3.3: Wraithguard holds and breaks.
Eldar 3.4: Guardians marches and conga line to contest both blitz and 1 DtF objective.
Eldar 3.5: Phoenix bombers stand down.
Eldar 3.6: Night wings ground attacks broken BTS-Stompas killing 3.
Eldar 3.7: Wraithhguards engages lone broken BTS-Stompa wiping it out for no losses and claims the BTS-objective.

END PHASE:

Stormboyz fails to rally
Warbands fails to rally

Eldar wins 4-0 in turn 3 (BTS, Blitz, T&H and TSNP).


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PostPosted: Mon Mar 05, 2018 8:36 am 
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With all that death and destruction in turn 1, I guess turn 3 went very quick :) Fun to read and nice pictures!


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My thoughts:

Well, facing the massed MW shooting and assaults of the Iyanden wraithguard didn't really help to test the Stompas durability maybe.
Me rolling snake eyes (double 1) on the turn 1 engagement kinda ruined alot also. Turn 1 was a bloodbath where both sided went for the kill early and the orks lost that war.
Due to not being ferarless the stompas can be picked pff pretty easily when broken. So they didn't feel that dangerous to me. I'm not advocating them to have fearless in any way. I just think that even with the proposed unit size increase (4-8-12 instead of current 3-6-9) they feel only OK.
Giving Fighter-Bombas FxF on their weapons feels more and more like a not needed nerf. Sure the FB:s are about the best Aircrafts in the game and their positioning shenanigans due to being able to fire all around them kinda encourages cheesy plays when using them. But i think the ork list could need at least 1 super unit in their list to compensate for the others. I have a hard time seeing the orks defeat Iyanden to be honest.

To sum it up so far:

Stompa mob units increase feels right.
Fighter-Bombas getting FxF on their weapons feels wrong.

Now unto more playtests!

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Elrik wrote:
With all that death and destruction in turn 1, I guess turn 3 went very quick :) Fun to read and nice pictures!


Thanks mate! Yeah, turn 3 was quick!

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Thanks for the report. I know this might sound a bit strange, but I think the Stormboyz and Stompas needed to be garrisoned a bit more aggressively. Here you have tried to box the Iyanden in prevent them from being able to redeploy so easily.

Also two Flakwagons would have meant that the Stompa BTS couldn't garrison - So change one for a Dreadnought?

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Tiny-Tim wrote:
Thanks for the report. I know this might sound a bit strange, but I think the Stormboyz and Stompas needed to be garrisoned a bit more aggressively. Here you have tried to box the Iyanden in prevent them from being able to redeploy so easily.


Yeah, that makes sense though.

Tiny-Tim wrote:
Also two Flakwagons would have meant that the Stompa BTS couldn't garrison - So change one for a Dreadnought?


Oh damn, of course. Idiotic mistake on my part. Didn't think it impacted the game too much though since they where only a couple of centimeters more further forward. But the OW did have UvenLord worried about assaulting at first...

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