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3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02

 Post subject: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:01 pm 
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A game against m_folias Tau at Fall In! last week.

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Incompertus, 3000 POINTS
White Scars (NetEA Tournament Pack 2016)
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BIKE [425]
5 Bike Unit, 3 Attack Bike, Chaplain

LAND SPEEDER [200]
5 Landspeeder

LAND SPEEDER [225]
3 Tornado, 2 Typhoon

PREDATOR [250]
4 Annihilator

PREDATOR [250]
4 Destructor

SCOUT [175]
4 Scouts, Sniper, Rhinos

TACTICAL [550]
6 Tacticals, Supreme Commander, Rhinos, Hunter, 2 Vindicators

TACTICAL [450]
6 Tacticals, Rhinos, Hunter, 2 Vindicators

WHIRLWINDS [300]
4 Whirlwinds

THUNDERBOLT FIGHTERS [175]
2 Fighters


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Incompertus, 2975 POINTS
Tau Third Phase Expansion (6.8 Approved)
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CRISIS BATTLESUIT CADRE [250]
4 XV8 Crisis Battlesuit, Shas'el

FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [225]
6 Fire Warriors, 3 Devilfish

FIRE WARRIOR CADRE [225]
6 Fire Warriors, 3 Devilfish

ARMOUR SUPPORT GROUP [300]
4 Hammerhead Gunships (Ion- or Fusionhead), 2 extra Hammerhead Gunships (Rail- or Fusionhead)

PATHFINDER GROUP [200]
4 Pathfinders, 2 Devilfish

RECON SKIMMER GROUP [175]
4 Tetra, 2 Piranha

RECON SKIMMER GROUP [175]
4 Tetra, 2 Piranha

SKYSWEEP SUPPORT GROUP [250]
3 Skyray Gunships

STEALTH GROUP [225]
6 XV15 Stealth Units

BARRACUDA SQUADRON [150]
2 Barracuda Fighters

BARRACUDA SQUADRON [150]
2 Barracuda Fighters

MANTA DROPSHIP [650]

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:02 pm 
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Start of Game

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Start of Game

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Skyrays go on overwatch

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TBolts CAP

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A scout formation attempts to advance, fails and moves

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Scouts double up and take overwatch when moving into markerlight range. They loose a Rhino.

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TBolts CAP and splash two Barracudas.

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A Tactical doubles and looses a rhino to overwatch.

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Firewarriors overwatch.

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Destructors double, take overwatch and take out a Tetra.

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Barracuda's break the Destructors.

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Land Speeders break the scouts.

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Firewarriors overwatch.

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Land Speeders march.

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A scout formation doubles and lays a BM on the Typhoons/Tornados

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Bikes double and lay a BM on them.

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Crisis double and break the Typhoons, two get away.

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Annihilators take overwatch and break the scouts.

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Hammerheads lay a BM on the land speeders.

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Whirlwinds lay a BM on them.

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The Manta takes out three bikes.

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The SC doubles and takes out a Hammerhead.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
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Turn 2

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Turn 2

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Stealsuits teleport in 1 BM shy of breaking.

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Annihilators advance and wipe out the Skyrays.

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Tactical engage the Pathfinders

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3-0 Marines.

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The Pathfinders are wiped out.

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The Crisis breaks the bikes.

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Land Speeders break the Hammerheads.

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Scouts double and break the Stealth Suits.

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The Manta doubles and takes out two Vindicators

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Tbolts lay a BM on the Firewarriors.

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They fail to activate and regroup.

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Whirlwinds hack down a Stealth Suit.

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Barracuda lay a BM on the Land Speeders.

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The SC doubles and lays a BM on the Manta.

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Scouts double and take out a Land Speeder.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:03 pm 
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Turn 3

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Turn 3

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Tacticals engage the Crisis.

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1-0 Marines

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The Marines wipe them out.

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Annihilators advance and break a Firewarrior formation.

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The Manta susatins and break the SC.

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Firewarriors double to contest an objective.

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TBolts CAP.

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They take out the Barracudas.

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Land Speeders grab Blitz.

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Scouts engage the Stealth Suits.

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They wipe them out.

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Bikes march to grab T&H.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 2:07 pm 
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White Scars ended up winning this 4-0 in turn 3 with everything but BTS.

Matt had some poor luck, and the Manta cut his activation count by 1-2 I think. The Vindicator speed change definitely came into play, I was able to keep pace with the SC as he doubles across the board. I had them out front where the Manta shot them up.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 3:50 pm 
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cool! Did Matt have any issues with them? (I suspect not as like you said, bullet catchers)

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
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Not that he mentioned. Honestly I think time would be better spent reducing the bike cost to get people to take them. I say throw the changes to Steve so he can bring it to a vote.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
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yeah great! Me too. I want to get onto the real work with the bikes as well.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
PostPosted: Thu Nov 09, 2017 7:50 pm 
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Your reports are always a nice read Dave.

Did you find the Vindicators worth taking in this list with the speed change? Or still probably a sub-optimal choice compared to using the points elsewhere?


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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
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If I could have taken the 4 upgrades as a single formation I would have, without that option adding them to two Tacticals worked well enough. A single TBolt formation is low for me, usually I would have doubled up on them but for the playtest I took the Vincators. I think they're worth 50 points. Like with all the Marine stuff, you got to play cautious if you want it to make its points back.

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
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jimmyzimms wrote:
cool! Did Matt have any issues with them? (I suspect not as like you said, bullet catchers)


No, the vinnies were never a problem. Rolling 1s was my problem all weekend. The plague vinnies are tougher!

The manta is a difficult beast to apply. She will never earn the points back. Dave's right, it cuts at least 2 if not 3 activations. Two detachments of tooled up suits are more effective.

I would like to give the WS a go again without the manta and with half of the 1s rolled.

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Dave wrote:
Not that he mentioned. Honestly I think time would be better spent reducing the bike cost to get people to take them. I say throw the changes to Steve so he can bring it to a vote.


without a large number of bikes WS seemed slow. without flavor

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 Post subject: Re: 3k Trial White Scars vs NetEA Tau - 2017-11-02
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m_folais wrote:
Dave wrote:
Not that he mentioned. Honestly I think time would be better spent reducing the bike cost to get people to take them. I say throw the changes to Steve so he can bring it to a vote.


without a large number of bikes WS seemed slow. without flavor
Thanks for the report. Those whirlwinds did not a lot but overall it seems the Tau got very little damage in, lots of stuff didn't seem to get a chance to do much before getting broken or wiped out. Barracudas woeful. The fire warriors not getting stuck in is a shame. I tend to hang back a bit and play quite cautiously with tau in the first turn too but usually it means you have much of the army intact. That didn't seem to happen for you.

High/low light has to be the stealths teleporting in though :)

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PostPosted: Sat Nov 11, 2017 12:41 am 
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Great pics and report!

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