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Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars
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Author:  jimmyzimms [ Thu May 16, 2013 2:51 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

So any feedback on the actual stats posted above? ;)
[taps mic]

Author:  Nitpick [ Thu May 16, 2013 4:34 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

The Bissler wrote:
Interesting concept, may be difficult for me to break the habit of a lifetime and think in those terms because I've always taken the battlefield terrain/mniatures scale rather literally!


Takes a powerful mind to imagine a bunch of superhuman giants squeezing into a rhino, yes? Plus, even with the literal (or rather undefined) old way of not seeing things, distances were far from "realistic" for many weapon systems.

Instead of following the path of true scale believers, I have opted to follow the more sane abstraction route. For me it is 6mm. Heroic. Sort of. Depends on...

Author:  Simulated Knave [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:45 am ]
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The dimensions of a Rhino relative to even true-scale Marine models are actually about the same as the dimensions of actual people compared to a Bradley APC. The vehicles are already true-scale (in 40K, anyway).

Admittedly, the Epic vehicles may be a little less proportionate. :P

Author:  jimmyzimms [ Mon May 20, 2013 6:51 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

Astartes > Regular guys with flashlights ;)

Author:  Nitpick [ Mon May 20, 2013 7:24 am ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

Simulated Knave wrote:
Admittedly, the Epic vehicles may be a little less proportionate. :P
Mm, yes. I have no clue about recent 40K embiggenment of vehicles and was referring to epic. Actually I was referring to old epic where the likes of the plastic rhino and the thunderbrick roamed free.

Author:  The Bissler [ Mon May 20, 2013 8:22 am ]
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Nitpick wrote:
Takes a powerful mind to imagine a bunch of superhuman giants squeezing into a rhino, yes?


I'm no expert on the fluff, but just always assumed that the Imperium employed technology not dissimilar to that used in the TARDIS.... :D

I suppose I never thought about it enough, and as I never played more than a few games of 40k never really thought about the range issue either. I just accepted it all...

Author:  Nitpick [ Mon May 20, 2013 9:06 am ]
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The Bissler wrote:
Nitpick wrote:
Takes a powerful mind to imagine a bunch of superhuman giants squeezing into a rhino, yes?


I'm no expert on the fluff, but just always assumed that the Imperium employed technology not dissimilar to that used in the TARDIS.... :D


:D Or in my wifes handbags...

Author:  GR00V3R [ Mon May 20, 2013 11:01 am ]
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jimmyzimms wrote:
So any feedback on the actual stats posted above? ;)
[taps mic]


Bump! :)

Author:  Simulated Knave [ Thu May 23, 2013 10:11 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

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Mm, yes. I have no clue about recent 40K embiggenment of vehicles and was referring to epic. Actually I was referring to old epic where the likes of the plastic rhino and the thunderbrick roamed free.


I was talking original RT-era Rhinos vs modern Marines that have then been made even bigger. Recent 40K embiggerment not a consideration.

Author:  jimmyzimms [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 9:49 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

OK was bored at work today so hammered out a quick document outlining a basic "How-To" guide for porting Epic to EW and other ponderings and suggestions for list balancing opportunities. In addition, I followed my own guide and ported the Codex Marines list as well. Give a look and tell me what you think. ;D

EDIT: This are outdated. Current files are in the OP while these are here for archival purposes
Epic in Exodus Wars v1
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Codex Marines for EW
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Author:  netepic [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:21 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

Remember that aircraft are a lot more powerful in EW, you may need to up the points to compensate or lower the effectiveness of the weapons.

Consider giving the drop pods an orbital bombardment attack instead of creating a new ability. The deathwind pods are basically a form of orbital artillery anyway :-D

Looks good so far chap, I'll have a more thorough look when I wake up.

Author:  jimmyzimms [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 10:38 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

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netepic wrote:
Remember that aircraft are a lot more powerful in EW, you may need to up the points to compensate or lower the effectiveness of the weapons.

Yeah that's one aspect where I am less confident in the porting. However at least everyone is equally over the top :D I figure there's a few dozen games to get under ye olde' belt to determine just how far off the rails it can go. I expect that likely the old Epic formation cost will probably even out to a single sortie in practice. It's a bit harder to work out the equivalent aerospace and AA needs of the units due to the different approaches to air power between the games (for instance all those AA Heavy Bolters don't really work out to anything real in EW).

netepic wrote:
Consider giving the drop pods an orbital bombardment attack instead of creating a new ability. The deathwind pods are basically a form of orbital artillery anyway :-D

Ohhhh that's a good idea. :-D Also anything performing drops and bombardments should be listed in One-Shot as well, no?

netepic wrote:
Looks good so far chap, I'll have a more thorough look when I wake up.

Great! Looking for any feedback on approach and / or ideas.

Author:  netepic [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:10 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

Jimmy Zimms AKA JayZ wrote:
netepic wrote:
Consider giving the drop pods an orbital bombardment attack instead of creating a new ability. The deathwind pods are basically a form of orbital artillery anyway :-D


Ohhhh that's a good idea. :-D Also anything performing drops and bombardments should be listed in One-Shot as well, no?

netepic wrote:
Looks good so far chap, I'll have a more thorough look when I wake up.

Great! Looking for any feedback on approach and / or ideas.


Air transport is effectively a one-shot anyway so I don't think it is entirely necessary. Just bundle the transports and the bombardment into the same formation so people don't put the transport pods in one place and the death wind pods in another.

Author:  jimmyzimms [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:12 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

True but needed for Battle Barge and Strike Cruisers.

Author:  netepic [ Thu Nov 14, 2013 11:31 pm ]
Post subject:  Re: Porting Epic Compendium Lists to Exodus Wars

Unless you assume the cruisers are in orbit? Do you really need to use a strike cruiser model on the table for drop pods?

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