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NetEA Steel Legion - proposed update

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:50 pm 
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Out of everything in my Guard army the only formation that isn't painted is my 'Valkyries' simply because I never use them. My 'Storm Tropers' only get a run-out as Kreig Grenadiers.

I love the concept of Steel Legion Storm Troopers being like US Army Rangers using their air-insertion techniques a-la Black Hawk Down but in that case I'd simply want a stripped-down Valk to be my 'Black Hawk'. Same stats but little or no firepower. Nice and cheap just to get the where they need to be to support the main effort. As it is it's like their running around on 'Little Bird' gunships at the moment.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:24 pm 
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^These posts^

@E&C, agreed, if chimeras were 100 points the valks are a no brainer over chimeras. But i think its a bigger issue than that.

IMHO The whole formation is out of whack for much the same reason as above. The points are crazy because it assumes they are bringing the valkyries with the big barrage. Hard to see ST on foot as worth 200points - obvious to take rough riders or 2x sentinels instead. Plus 150 is too light for the barrage AND mobility the valkyries bring - tempered only by the fact they are tethered to the troopers.

Lets say 8 ST were 175 (or even 150) plus 4 chimeras makes them 250? Temped?

Valk upgrade would be 225 bringing them to the same 350 as they are now. (Unless down-gunned).

Personally i'd prefer to see the valkyrie as a pure flying APC - with say 2x30cm AP5+/AT6+ - as maybe a 125 upgrade, but i don't see that happening.


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:15 pm 
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Personally I think storm troopers by themselves should be cheaper as suggested above, that should redress the balance between chimera and valks. If valks are a problem per se one option could be for the STs to lose scout, that would stop them being able to garrison and thus alpha strike literally anything on the board, and they'd generally be doubling. Having said that, if steel legion didn't have deathstrikes and artillery (other things to use your first aactivations) and poor SR then the valks would have a much bigger spotlight on them than they do now.

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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 8:09 pm 
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Correct me if I'm wrong but as far as I can tell the Valkyrie and Vulture are some of the only "new40K" kit that the Steel Legion get. To me they're a product of the "bolt guns on everywhere they'll fit" mentality that seems to be quite prevalent at GW (even a while ago).

Maybe they could be looked at in the same light as the Thunderbolt?

If we modelled the Epic TBolt off the 40k Forge World stats, there wouldn't be space for a pilot in amongst the oodles of guns 'n' rockets. Is it that every 40k weapon system is being ported over to Epic? I haven't followed 40k since 3rd ed. so I have no idea of the Valk's loadout but I thought new units are usually "toned down" to fit into NetEA?


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PostPosted: Thu Aug 03, 2017 9:26 pm 
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I'd like to see an appropriately costed Chimera option for Storm Troopers. It'd make for a more useful and cheaper formation and stop the Storm Troopers being overshadowed by their transports as present.

The background for the Steel Legion has Armageddon being one of the biggest producers of the Chimera in the Imperium with their regiments known for being mechanised with them and not having the option a poor call backgroundwise.


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 11:53 am 
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This thread has gone off topic, please can people comment on the first post rather than making specific requests and comments regarding units.

Chimera as an upgrade was captured as an update a long time ago, its in for 100pts as far as I'm concerned, it's just matter of whether people want a mini-update for the time being and a full update later, or go straight into a full update with all the risk we'll get bogged down and it will take aaaages.....

My views are quite clear, if I receive no objections I'm going to lodge a mini-update in the next month or so with the ERC and then start the process of a big update.

Mini-update overview:
3 Griffin upgrade to 50pts (ref EUK experience)
3 Hellhound upgrade to 75pts (ref EUK experience)
3 Leman Russ or Demolishers upgrade to 125pts (ref EUK experience
4 Chimera for Stormtroopers option for 100pts (been tested and house ruled for years)
Ogryns 25pts ea (1-2 a la Snipers rather than just 2) (new...intended to ad another 25pt option to help upgrades in general)
Emperor Battleship to 150pts (not a new proposal)
Baneblade main cannon gains a 2nd shot (subject to testing)
Artillery Company goes to 600pts (ref EUK experience)

For later consideration:
Bainblade as an upgrade for 150pts
SHT internal balancing
Artillery internal balancing
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 Post subject: Re: NetEA Steel Legion - proposed update
PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 12:03 pm 
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My views are quite clear, if I receive no objections I'm going to lodge a mini-update in the next month or so with the ERC and then start the process of a big update.

Looks good to me.

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3 Griffin upgrade to 50pts (ref EUK experience)
3 Hellhound upgrade to 75pts (ref EUK experience)
3 Leman Russ or Demolishers upgrade to 125pts (ref EUK experience
4 Chimera for Stormtroopers option for 100pts (been tested and house ruled for years)
Ogryns 25pts ea (1-2 a la Snipers rather than just 2) (new...intended to ad another 25pt option to help upgrades in general)
Emperor Battleship to 150pts (not a new proposal)
Baneblade main cannon gains a 2nd shot (subject to testing)
Artillery Company goes to 600pts (ref EUK experience)


Looks like a good start to me.

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I'd say fix the artillery, Basilisks and Bombards are so poor... in an artillery army.

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Sorry for going off topic, Rug! I think your plan of action looks great. I would consider throwing Valks on the list if you're doing an audit in the future, but I already made my case on that. Thanks for the hard work!


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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:30 pm 
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GrimDarkBits wrote:
Sorry for going off topic, Rug! I think your plan of action looks great. I would consider throwing Valks on the list if you're doing an audit in the future, but I already made my case on that. Thanks for the hard work!


Trouble is the SL list has been in use for ten years and Valkyries have never been raised as an issue, there is also the EUK Vaneheim AirCav list which has formations of 5-7 Valkaries and has been used for years without issue too. We have literally hundreds of tournament game results as stats to show this.

I'm going to need a lot more convincing massed rocket pots are as much of a problem as they appear on paper.


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^this^

Also good plan Rug. Like the approach.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 1:42 pm 
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Apologies - i read the OP as a request for opinions as to what should be considered in option 4.

I quite agree that the small changes could and should be agreed asap - I've been on this forum and playing EA for 6 years now and most of them were being discussed then.

But imho there are a number of other items which are also an issue. Others appear to agree.

If you wish to do that as a 2 step solution thats probably a good idea.


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All proposed changes sounds great!

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Is a mini update with those changes going to get accepted so easily? Steve54, Onyx, Kyuss and Largo were quite opposed previously.

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PostPosted: Fri Aug 04, 2017 7:04 pm 
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How about making a poll for the decision?

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