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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 12:15 pm 
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I think we have to accept that baneblades are just not going to be as useful as shadowswords - too slow, unmanoeuvrable. Tinkering with its long range cannon isn't really going to transform the unit, though making it BP may well do (and with potentially unintended consequences as hinted at already).

The only other thing I can think of which might create a role for the baneblade is as a non-infantry objective holder. Place the TnH on the centre line, march them up, then stick them on overwatch. 500 points is too much to spend on that, but if you could take them in pairs for 350... 6 DC of RA isn't terrible as a break point and should have enough firepower to deter an assault.

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 Post subject: Re: Steel Legion Feedback
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 2:17 pm 
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The BP 2 BB Cannon seems quite nice. Like the idea. Thath would be the breaking point to get the BB on par with the SS. Would be very appreciated.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:00 pm 
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Koshi wrote:
The BP 2 BB Cannon seems quite nice. Like the idea. Thath would be the breaking point to get the BB on par with the SS. Would be very appreciated.



Still not in favour, not least because it would be awful against armour (6+ to hit...)


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 3:28 pm 
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Koshi wrote:
The BP 2 BB Cannon seems quite nice. Like the idea. Thath would be the breaking point to get the BB on par with the SS. Would be very appreciated.



Still not in favour, not least because it would be awful against armour (6+ to hit...)

Give it the option to fire in BP mode (HE shells) or AT mode, like a basilisk?

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:00 pm 
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Apocolocyntosis wrote:
Give it the option to fire in BP mode (HE shells) or AT mode, like a basilisk?


NOW you're on the trolley.... ;D

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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 4:24 pm 
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Hey Rug had told me to split off a dedicated Baneblade test thread last week so I've put one up here (yeah yeah yeah lag-wagon)
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 Post subject: Re: Steel Legion Feedback
PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:45 pm 
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MikeT wrote:
It's a (relatively long) list of changes to an established list, but they're all formations/units that are rarely seen in competitive lists as they all under perform for one reason or another. Ideally any changes wouldn't boost the perceived power of the list as a whole, just give more viable options.

The exact same argument is used for the changes to the Space marine list by the way, which includes a price reduction in what should be the core formation (tactical detachment).

Fair point, however, I don't see any price increases in the IG list. I countered the drop to Tacs etc by increasing other unit costs.

What IG units can go up in cost...? What do people think?


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 5:52 pm 
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(Can you summarise the potential changes?)

Not sure where the point drops are, but if they are drops on non core, non optimal choices, it doesn't have any balance effect... So say arty companies costing 600 - I would still take batteries as they are just too fragile and too many points tied up in attacking one enemy formation a turn. Still I might take them for a giggle in a 4000, okay well more like 4500+ game.


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:46 pm 
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Warhounds should increase to compensate for other price drops/buffs. See marine thread for details...


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PostPosted: Tue Nov 04, 2014 11:58 pm 
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Warhounds should increase to compensate for other price drops/buffs. See marine thread for details...


What is this thread you speak of? I can't seem to find it.


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PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:13 am 
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There was discussion in the codex marine section that warhounds should be nurfed to stop them being an auto include. Either bump them to 300pnts, omit singles or limit singles to 0-1 at 300pnts.


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 Post subject: Re: Steel Legion Feedback
PostPosted: Wed Nov 05, 2014 12:25 am 
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Gotcha, thanks.


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