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Skitarii v1.12

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:06 pm 
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Which ordinatus, the majoris or minorus and does it say they are rare or just rarely mentioned?

Four "Centurio Ordinatus" were deployed to the 3rd war for Armageddon... I suspect that means four Ordinatus Majoris.

As to the Ordinatus Minoris, about 50 appear in one battle in the black library book "Dark Apostle" IIRC, as part of a Forgeworld's PDF.

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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:07 pm 
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My vision of the Minores (crisis:crises::minoris:minores? I think that's right...) has been test rigs they can drive out to the firing ranges. Voids would be to keep failures contained.

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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:12 pm 
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Here are some relevant quotes for the Ordinatus Minoris, emphasis mine.

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(p.129)
In between the ranks of Martian foot-soldiers were tracked crawlers,
one for every phalanx. They were Ordinatus Minoris crawlers, and
each was the lengh of three Leman Russ battle tanks. They had two,
wide track units, one at the front and one at the rear, and between
these was supported the mass of the war machine.
Heavy girders and
steel struts supported huge weapons, and each crawler had dozens of
red robed adepts and servitors as crew. Steel ladders rose to the
control cabins that were offset from the main guns. Larson did not
recognise the weapons that these behemoths of steel and bronze bore,
but the massive, steaming couplings and humming generators upon
their backs spoke of immense contained power.


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(p.185)
Coalescing arcs of energy streamed from the weapons borne upon the
backs of tracked crawlers that inched forward through the mire of
bodies and rain water. Kol Badar had seen some of those weapons
before. Many were weapons developed to be borne by the colossal war
machines of the Titan Legions.
Without the technology to continue to
construct these behemoths of war, many of which weree over a hundred
meters in height, the Adeptus Mechanicus had clearly deemed it fit
to mount these artillery pieces upon tracked crawler units,
but the
effectivenes of the weapons remained awesome.


So from that description, something like two Chimera-sized hulls (only wider), with a gap between them, and a weapon system supported on a platform above/between.

They are seemingly quite common ("One for every phalanx").

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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:26 pm 
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3 russes are only about as long as two chimeras? I guess I've been over estimating the size of the epic russ. Anyhow, that seems pretty common and I think justifies them as Core, perhaps even as a primary platform.

E&C, could we have something to clarify that the minoris can in fact mount the support missile in the next version? It seems odd that it would be unable to since the deathstrike missile can be launched from a chimera sized platform.

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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:30 pm 
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Vaaish wrote:
3 russes are only about as long as two chimeras? I guess I've been over estimating the size of the epic russ. Anyhow, that seems pretty common and I think justifies them as Core, perhaps even as a primary platform.

E&C is saying "a Chimera at each end", with a gap between, all in length equal to three Russes.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:37 pm 
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I too think that the list should not feel like guard with some blingbling. And I too would appreciate if minnores could mount support missiles, because I am planning on building some ;)


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:39 pm 
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Vaaish wrote:
E&C, could we have something to clarify that the minoris can in fact mount the support missile in the next version? It seems odd that it would be unable to since the deathstrike missile can be launched from a chimera sized platform.

I've already said that the intent is that they can mount all weapon systems (Even Close Combat weapons, should you be so inclined!), and yes I will make that explicit in the next version.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 3:55 pm 
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Ordinatii armed with giant power fists that beat the ground around them... orks would love it :) Thanks for the clarification. That should clear up any issues that Flogus had with mounting carapace only weapons.

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And the Carapace Landing pads allow the entire formation to use indirect fire, correct?

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I thought it was ruled that the CLP only affected the model it was attached to making it useless on a minoris. It would be fun if the CLP affected the whole formation since using it would then grant you some other nice artillery options outside of the support missiles.

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 Post subject: Re: Skitarii v1.12
PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:15 pm 
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From Skitarii army list:

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Quote: (freebooter @ Jan. 07 2010, 13:23 )
Also, a thought that came to me in reading old threads. Why not allow one Minoris to take a Carapace Landing Pad and allowing the indirect bonus count for the other 2 Minoris?
I believe I've noted before that I do not consider this to be against the spirit of the rules.

I can ajust the wording of the CLP to make it explicitly permissable.


Guess I answered my own question.

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Indeed I noted that a CLP should affect the whole formation, and I'll make sure the wording becomes explicit.

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:19 pm 
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I think the list is sufficiently differentiated from the Minervan list that having access to a selection of Russ variants is not a problem - lists are guaranteed to have at least some infantry elements (only way to get a SC), the Russ co and Artillery co are not core choices, and so on. Ditto the inclusion of a Super Heavy company, although it could be made a Support choice rather than a Core choice - certainly it seems odd the AdMech can select companies of the inferior Macharius but not the more high-tech superheavies.

The Dark Apostle quotes are certainly interesting, and do support Minoris being fairly common. However, they seem to be fielded singly or as support to the Skitarii formations rather than as their own formations? Certainly given that I think putting back the option for single Minoris in the Support choices might be a good idea, as opposed to merely allowing singles as upgrades to the Skitarii.


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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 4:58 pm 
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Ordinatii with Close Combat Weapons are not that unfeasible:

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PostPosted: Thu Apr 22, 2010 5:39 pm 
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