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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 1:17 am 
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Please keep minoris core. Happy with other changes.


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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:17 am 
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I'm not sure I like the idea of Minoris as core...
Move them to support, make the Majoris count as part of the allies allotment.

So have as core formations:

Skitarii Century:
Praetorian Cohort: May never have more Praetorian Units than Skitarii.
Tank Company:
Super Heavy Tank Company:
For each Skitarii Century in the army you may take ONE tank company OR super heavy tank company.

This will ensure that the army is mostly infantry while still allowing some variation.

Umm, as for Support choices.
Keep as is:
Forge Knights
Sentinel Squadron
Orbital Support
Flak

I never got why you would take One Super Heavy as a support choice when you could have 3 as a core choice...

Right, add in 3 Ordinatus Minoris...
Maybe 2 Warhounds to the support choice as well? But keep Battle Titans as allies.

Move to Allies:
Ordinatus Majoris

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:21 am 
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Quote: (freebooter @ Jan. 06 2010, 17:17 )

I'm not sure I like the idea of Minoris as core...
Move them to support, make the Majoris count as part of the allies allotment.

So have as core formations:

Skitarii Century:
Praetorian Cohort: May never have more Praetorian Units than Skitarii.
Tank Company:
Super Heavy Tank Company:
For each Skitarii Century in the army you may take ONE tank company OR super heavy tank company.

This will ensure that the army is mostly infantry while still allowing some variation.

Umm, as for Support choices.
Keep as is:
Forge Knights
Sentinel Squadron
Orbital Support
Flak

I never got why you would take One Super Heavy as a support choice when you could have 3 as a core choice...

Right, add in 3 Ordinatus Minoris...
Maybe 2 Warhounds to the support choice as well? But keep Battle Titans as allies.

Move to Allies:
Ordinatus Majoris

Uhh...that doesn't sound very techy. More IG foot slugger ish it seems.

And Ordinatus Majoris as an Allies???  :oo:  :oh:  :oops:  :rock:  :upside:

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:43 am 
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I never got why you would take One Super Heavy as a support choice when you could have 3 as a core choice...


This is for the same reason Eldar Engines of Vaul Troupes are 1-3. Some superheavies operate better as singles, some as formations. In singles, you get more activations, can hit multiple targets, and have multiple formations to break. In formations you get concentrated fire, tougher to break formation, but all 500 pts break as one.

Praetorians, while they figure largely in the AM novels, are tough dudes. They occupy the same niche as Storntroopers, and thus should be support.

Due to points, Majoris are virtually impossible to "spam"; 4, maybe 5 in a 3k army, with almost no support. It probably doesn't matter if they are in support or core, but adding them under the Titan limit will mean there are better options, and this iconic unit will never be taken.

Why do you not like Minoris as core? In a PDF regiment, the AM would pull all the experimental weapons to the front in hopes of gaining a desicive advantage. Titans are too precious to wate on R&D, so you take the gun and add it to a mobile "test rig". In times of war, these, and proven but too advanced/expensive to manufacture weapons, become the Minoris.

Is the feel you were looking for an infantry-heavy list? I certainly feel that this is an option, but the existance of WEs (Ordinatii) that are even slower than footsloggers does not invalidate that. THey have really cool guns, but not enough on a per point basis to build an army around them. Cataphract and SHT Coys do become very attractive in this environment, though.

Just my thoughts on the matter.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:47 am 
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My understanding was that this wasn't a PDF list. I thought this was a Skitarii military force designed to accompany titans?

Thought that just came to me...
What about Sentinels as upgrades for Skitarii?




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:27 am 
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- Delete Deathstrike Missile Launchers

Fair enough as Deathstrike maissiles can still be taken on Ordinatus'.


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- Remove single Ordinatus Minoris choice

I'd prefer to keep this in. It feels more fluffy to me to be able to use more customised War Engines.


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- Move Ordinatus Minoris Company to Support Choices.

I'd like this to be kept as a Core choice. Again, it just seems fluffy to keep all the Ordintus' available as a core choice.


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- Add the Macharius Heavy Tank Company to the Support Choices (the book Titanicus shows Machariuses operated by the Mechanicus).

Definitely agree with this. Is someone making a proxy for this soon (as Reaver doesn't seem available at the moment).


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- Reduce Allies allocation from 50% to 33% to stop aircraft spam.

If the aircraft are the problem, is there a way to limit them only (and leave the Titans available to 50%)? A 50% limit on Titans does help the list stand out from other Guard armies and seems to me to be very fluffy.


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- Possibly move Tank and Super Heavy Tank Companies to Support (leaving only Skitarii and Ordinatus Majoris as the Core choices)?

This would be ok as long as Minoris and Majoris are kept as Core choices. With only the 2 options mentioned before it seems quite limiting to me.

Thanks for your continued efforts with thislist (and all your army lists).

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:23 pm 
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ADEPTUS MECHANICUS PLANETARY DEFENCE FORCE ARMY LIST

Oh... *Facepalm* I'll make sure to actually read the headings to things in future before making an ass of myself  :glare:

In that case I support a Minoris formation as a core choice...
Also, a thought that came to me in reading old threads. Why not allow one Minoris to take a Carapace Landing Pad and allowing the indirect bonus count for the other 2 Minoris? This would only apply to an Ordinatus Minoris formation in the AM list though.

I think Majoris should be moved out of core though, at least into support if not into allies.




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 2:45 pm 
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Quote: (freebooter @ Jan. 07 2010, 13:23 )

Also, a thought that came to me in reading old threads. Why not allow one Minoris to take a Carapace Landing Pad and allowing the indirect bonus count for the other 2 Minoris?

I believe I've noted before that I do not consider this to be against the spirit of the rules.

I can ajust the wording of the CLP to make it explicitly permissable.

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I do quite like the Macharius... Wouldn't mind seeing it in the list. Do any of our local virtual wizards have plans on conjuring such a warmachine?  :p

I think this is not an appropriate thread to be discussing this.

In fact, most threads are not appropriate for this kind of discussion, and I would like everyone to seriously consider that fact.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 5:59 pm 
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How about allowing Ordinatus Minoris as upgrades for Skitarii formations?
Ok in "reality" the Skitarii would be the bodyguard for the Ordinatus Minoris even if in the list the Minoris is bought as an upgrade :D

Oh and what about adding the Stormlord as a transport vehicle for the Skitarii and/or Praetorians?




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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 9:21 pm 
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How about allowing Ordinatus Minoris as upgrades for Skitarii formations?
Ok in "reality" the Skitarii would be the bodyguard for the Ordinatus Minoris even if in the list the Minoris is bought as an upgrade :D

That's not a bad idea, like one Minoris for x points.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:07 pm 
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Oh, slap on the wrist taken and edited out. I'll think about things like this more carefully in future.

Do we really need the stormlord? We've already got the Gorgon as a war engine transport... Although I guess it would be a nice upgrade, how many troops do they carry in 40k? 20? I haven't been up to date with this whole apocalypse thing...

I don't like the minoris being available as upgrades for Skitarii. As long as the Minoris formation is core you can take Skitarii as a formation upgrade which deals with people concerned about them being left unsupported.

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Do we really need the stormlord?

No.

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PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 10:54 pm 
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Righto then...
That solved that pretty quickly.

Something I just realised when writing up my playtest army was that Praetorians can't take transport unless they're baby sitting their little brothers, the Skitarii. This just doesn't sound right to me. The Preatorians are amongst the elite of the Mechanicus forces, why would they walk when they can ride?
If they were moved to a core choice it would allow them to take transport upgrades as befits their status as the elite of the Mechanicus.

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PostPosted: Fri Jan 08, 2010 12:17 pm 
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Wow, this thread has much to digest.
Now with the caveat that I have only played about 1/2 dozen games of EA (all using the Skitarii PDF list), I'll put in my 2 kopeks worth anyway...

I like the list overall, but I'd like to see Praetorian Cohorts with access to transports.
I like the fluffy element of all the existing Ordinatus options too, so am in favour of keeping that as is.

Having said that, I'm currently developing a list to represent Explorator forces to make for a faster army. But it's very much a WIP that is more about using the models I have rather than anything else  :blues:

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PostPosted: Mon Jan 25, 2010 10:39 am 
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Any idea on how a time frame till the Skitarii 2.0 list will be available?
I'd like to wait till a more concrete playlist version is in place before I buy anything more for my collection.

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